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DeusOrbus February 4th, 2014 3:49am

Congratulations conservatives you've won the war on babies! Now that abortion is illegal how does one differentiate between an abortion and a miscarriage?

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RBecker17 The Sultan of Rum
02/06/14 11:20 pm

I am a conservativish libertarian not really tho. I just am who I am, but I am pro choice not because I actually approve but because the majority of Americans do and my personal misgivings should not be the law of the land

PartyFree Nowhere in Particular
02/04/14 10:14 pm

Miscarriage is listed as "Spontaneous Abortion" in the ICD-9 medical diagnosis codes while the procedure we call abortion is listed as "Induced Abortion". That description outlines the difference - miscarriage is spontaneous, abortion is induced.

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MisterE Conservistan
02/04/14 2:23 pm

Same way you do in any other case of suspected murder I suppose. Am I overlooking something?

glion96
02/04/14 9:13 am

I didn't know that is it like all over the US or just in your state or?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 9:30 am

It didn't actually happen, this is just a scenario.

glion96
02/04/14 11:27 am

Oh okay haha I'm like damn I didn't hear anything about that

PrinceBlake Bama Born
02/05/14 6:31 am

Same here. I'm thinking is he crazy?

curly
02/04/14 8:45 am

Um, if it was done intentionally or not. Is that not obvious?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 9:27 am

How do you know someone's intentions?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 9:28 am

What if the mother didn't want the kid to begin with but is going to carry it because it's the law and she miscarries?

commonsense America isnt racist
02/04/14 9:38 am

Then it's a bonus for the woman , who I'd think would be happy , not upset.

As for the medical difference, I have no idea. As a conservative, I'm okay with abortion.

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 9:47 am

Damn you for not being a cookie cutter! There isn't a difference medically that's my point is that even if they got their way there would be no way to verify who miscarried and who aborted etc. All it would do is cause women to endanger their lives.

commonsense America isnt racist
02/04/14 9:50 am

Doesn't an abortion procedure cause lacerations or anything like that? Where as a miscarriage just disconnects?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 10:01 am

An abortion is just a miscarriage that happens on purpose. So if a mother throws herself down a flight of stairs than she would have aborted the fetus/embryo.

commonsense America isnt racist
02/04/14 10:25 am

I've heard even decent abortions use sharp instruments to cut the embryo to pieces before sucking them out. Doesn't this cause harm to the woman?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/04/14 10:31 am

Not as much as throwing yourself down a flight of stairs does. And it's in a doctors office where if there is an emergency than the doctors can correct an emergency.

aj1545 Cat Lady
02/04/14 7:24 am

Obviously if the woman is doing what you want miscarriage, if she's not, like she's having premarital sex, abortion. /s

Btw, I can't remember the state, Missouri or Mississippi, where they proposed a law saying if you had a miscarriage you had to

aj1545 Cat Lady
02/04/14 7:29 am

Report it to the police (so they could investigate?) or face up to 2 years in jail for not reporting. It didn't pass but was seriously considered.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
02/04/14 6:39 am

A miscarriage is a natural unexpected occurrence. An abortion is a deliberate killing of the baby.

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PartyJustin R.O.C.K. in the R.O.C.
02/04/14 9:51 am

There are ways to increase the odds of a miscarry. Should miscarriages be investigated to make sure there's no intention?

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
02/04/14 3:15 pm

I don't know that it can be investigated effectively. Also, having personally seen two families go through a miscarriage, I see no reason to add more misery to the grief of their loss by investigating for murder.

UWHuskyFan2 Woodinville, WA
02/03/14 10:13 pm

If you're gonna pull the "what do you do if a woman aborts herself" card that is irrelevant. The government shouldn't fund abortions, if a woman aborts herself, while I find this risky and kinda stupid, she has the right too

kermie gaytopia
02/03/14 10:55 pm

The government doesn't and can't fund abortions. It's illegal.

aj1545 Cat Lady
02/04/14 7:32 am

Hyde Amendment. You're fighting a battle that already happened, which you'd know if you researched any of this.

MrWolfe Nashville
02/03/14 10:08 pm

Not to be off topic, but am I a murderer for all the potential lives I've terminated in the shower since age 13 or so?
Just wonderin'...

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DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 10:10 pm

Forty hail Mary's for ya!

aj1545 Cat Lady
02/04/14 7:33 am

No, only women's stuff counts as murder, everyone knows that /s

inge MIA
02/03/14 9:06 pm

Might have to pass a law to have every miscarriage checked out to make sure it wasn't intentional.

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DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:08 pm

There are 500,000 miscarriages every year in the US, good luck with that.

inge MIA
02/03/14 9:21 pm

Hey, I don't agree with It, but if we are dumb enough to pass a no abortion law, how else will they enforce it?

inge MIA
02/03/14 9:21 pm

And it was written with heavy sarcasm

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:22 pm

Sorry, I should've known better. I apologize for insulting your character :(

inge MIA
02/03/14 9:26 pm

I forgot to use my sarcasm font. ;) it's fine, I was wondering if someone was going to agree with my comment so I could do a nice *headdesk*

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:28 pm

Lol I laughed at Violence's idea of a personal government escort for the duration of the pregnancy.

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:04 pm

Thanks, it occurred to me when I was discussing this with my conservative roman catholic friends who are incredibly naive.

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 8:52 pm

Its spontaneous, natural and random. Big difference

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violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 8:53 pm

So if a woman throws herself down the stairs and miscarries....?

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 8:56 pm

Not random or natural

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 8:57 pm

And if she falls down the stairs?

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 8:57 pm

how do you know that she didn't trip?

Statek Im from the Internet
02/03/14 8:57 pm

And if she "accidentally" falls down the stairs?

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 8:59 pm

Lol true but witnesses

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:00 pm

So if no one sees it happen, it was an accident. Sounds legit.

Statek Im from the Internet
02/03/14 9:00 pm

There aren't people witnessing every staircase 24/7 with the power to tell if it was on purpose

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 9:02 pm

Yes true but I guess we can't know. We just have to install moral values that would never consider doing such a thing

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:04 pm

Back when abortion was incredibly regulated women had back alley abortions and many other ways that were less safe. It seems naive to make it illegal and pretend that abortions won't happen.

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 9:07 pm

Then we crack down on those ways to save innocent lives

Statek Im from the Internet
02/03/14 9:16 pm

So then you want government control regulating the female body?

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 9:24 pm

I want to save innocent lives, and if that includes regulating that than sure so be it

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:24 pm

Every pregnant woman gets a pro-life, government approved escort for the duration of her pregnancy to ensure there are no accidents.

Statek Im from the Internet
02/03/14 9:25 pm

So you're against government controlling people's lives and you want it out of yours, unless the government is forcing something on people who don't want it because you do
Not at all hypocritical of you

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
02/03/14 9:28 pm

I'm against the government being in peoples lives unless life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is involved

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 8:49 pm

Im not pro-life but that's apples and oranges.

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violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 8:56 pm

Not really. I know someone who asked if she could cause a miscarriage if she put a pillowcase over her head (gotta protect the pretty) and threw herself down the stairs.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 8:57 pm

Would you classify that as a normal miscarriage?

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 8:58 pm

Well, if she fell down the stairs accidentally, yes. So the difference is moot.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 9:00 pm

But she didnt do it accidentally, she did it on purpose. Unless i misunderstood your comment

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:00 pm

Yes, but that doesn't matter. The process is the same and the result is the same.

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:01 pm

So it's more like Granny Smith vs Red Delicious.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 9:04 pm

What percent of miscarriages are on purpose vs percent of abortions?

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:07 pm

That isn't relevant so long as abortions are legal. It only becomes relevant if they're not. Also, I doubt there is data on it while they are, but clearly some percentage of miscarriages are intentional.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 9:10 pm

Im catching what you're pitching but to classify miscarriages and abortions in the same group just doesn't make sense.

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:13 pm

To say that it's always identifiable which is which is where it goes wrong.

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:14 pm

Yeah, they're different, but they can be the same. After all, the woman who throws herself down the staircase doesn't control whether or not her body decides to keep the fetus. Thusly, if her body aborts the fetus it's still a miscarriage.

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:16 pm

And if they can be the same, you can't really say which it was, causing the difference between them to become moot.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/03/14 9:17 pm

Right but i would classify that as an extenuating circumstance. The vast majority of miscarriages is not planned and happens naturally.

violence Pretty hate machine
02/03/14 9:20 pm

But the question is HOW do you differentiate? It's easy when everyone goes to the Dr to have an abortion. If they stop because it's illegal... well ,then you'll see the number of "miscarriages" skyrocket.

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/03/14 9:20 pm

Yes, it's like that now because abortion is perfectly legal. If it wasn't it wouldn't.

PartyFree Nowhere in Particular
02/04/14 10:15 pm

Miscarriage is spontaneous and unintentional, while abortion is induced intentionally.