Do you think the Democrats and Republicans will agree to a deal before the August 2nd debt ceiling deadline?
Yes. I don't think either side wants to be blamed for not changing it, so eventually they will reach an agreement, probably one hours before midnight.
and the question was.... less we all digress.
Solution for everything: Chris Christie for pres!!!
Unfortunately this will not happen.
We need a strong leader that will throw this poser out on his ass! Maybe Rudy will run!
if we tax the wealthy who decides who that is? we then will have the social justice that a majority blindly voted for. equal money for all. sounds communist to me. who then is able to provide jobs?
I think both sides practice that. No one agrees with EVERYTHING their party does. If you do, your probably not paying attention
@sevrandy: yes, thats exactly what it is. Now slowly set down the kool-aid and step away from your TV. You seem to have an acute case of Rachel MadCow-itis.
it's all the republicans doing there little tricks to make the American sheep think there for them
@veritas. I strongly dislike Nancy Pelosi....
Throw all the bums out.
I love Nancy pelosi
I'll be wrong again very soon, don't worry. Lol
However your example of the draft holds up. Bravo! I stand corrected. :)
NYevo - The example of taxes doesn't hold up, because they only tax activity, rather than existence
@fishtung. Umm.....Obamacare doesn't go into effect until 2014. Soooo.....what are you talking about?
update ..... my health insurance just went up $50 per month doahhhh
because of Obama care I received a$ 400refund on my deposit for a endoscope/colonoscopy because its now considered preventative..
Haha Had me for a sec. Then I remembered veritas has 3 periods at the end of his name. I was gonna start a whole big war with you to. Haha
@veritas. Really. You are sooooooooo funny....EVERYONE is laughing.....
I think we should compromise with the communist party's ideology
But threatening with Jail if you don't sign up for selective service or a draft (when there was one) is permissible. These things are along the same lines imo and I'm not sure I have a problem with either
Ahhh, ok. I do agree with you on regulation. Too much though is just as bad as not enough. Look at who the elected officials were/are that are in charge of Fannie/Freddy oversight. And what they said just 1 month before the meltdown... and what they are saying now. Kind of amazing!
And my point was that forced action was just as serious, but we accept it
The key is FORCING a PURCHASE with your money on a good or service. Threatening my freedom that if I don't buy something I will go to jail. That has never been done by the US gov't before.
I was responding to another poster and the topic was forced action, not specific to $$
What's next, forcing everyone to buy a house because we need a place to live? Or vitamins because our diet sucks? Or vaccines because of a swine flu pandemic? Or everyone must get a degree now so that we can compete in a global market? I mean it's all for your own good, right?
Selective service does not cost $$... and you don't have to pay taxes if you are a sovereign citizen or you don't make any money. The examples you gave are not examples of things the gov't is forcing you to purchase just for being alive.
@Archamedes: Here are two examples of things that the Gov forces you to do (of which I take no issue); requirement to sign up for selective services within 30 days of turning 18 and requirement to pay taxes. That's off the top of my head. I'll think if more and write back.
@Archamedes: I believe gov spending on healthcare in general is something Obama has indicated he is willing to lessen if Republicans counter that with other increases in revenue or cuts in other places dear to them
poor control over bad practices contributed to the sub-prime real estate meltdown. You can't just not have any regulation. Bad outcomes that way too
Veritas I just read that op-Ed piece and got a very clear, well supported message. Less control = thriving business. I didn't see anything biased in it. The writer obviously had an opinion and defended it with history. Nothing wrong with that. By the way, Glenn beck isn't as crazy as people say
At least I cant think of an example.
I'd also disagree that the govt makes us do all sorts of things. Normally it simply places requirements on other actions we might take (like if you use a car on public property you must have insurance etc...). It has never forced us to take an action, simply for existing.
@NYevo- Then if it is unfunded (depending on whose numbers you choose to believe), then wouldn't it be valid to have it on the table as a possible area to cut? (especially since no one is dependent on it yet)
@O'13: the Gov makes us do all sorts of things. This is another thing
O'13: the Gov makes us do all sorts of things
Glenn Beck-esque political forum. Of you look at my comments, I said NOTHING about my approval/disapproval of "Obamanomics" as you and Dr. Wolf like to call it. That article was one of the worst I have EVER read. And I have read MANY POLITICAL ARTICLES.
........ did to recover from their recession. Any before/after stats. No. Any specific details as to what EXACTLY was done. No. Now how much of the article was spent talking about the perils of the US economy. Sorry, but I thought it was about the GERMAN economic recovery, not a.......
@Coloradica. I read it once. Then to make sure I understood it, I read key paragraphs again. Then went back to look for relevant facts. I found NONE. Before you call me a narrow-minded Obama loyalist, you should know I am NEITHER. Please give me ONE SINGLE RELEVANT FACT about what the Germans.......
And my point on the personal mandate is that the gov't should not be allowed to force me to purchase anything. This would be the first time in US history where the Fed has done something like that. I may be wrong in that respect, but I can't think of a single instance where it is true.
@Archamedes: CBO says it does not add to deficit so long as the personal mandate holds. So I guess it depends
@NYevo -Excellent! - I think that you are right that we have more in common than not. This may be a point of disention though... Do you agree that 'Obama Care' is an example of spending that is currently not funded?
O'13: Agreed. Don't spend more than you can make or account for.
(cont) history that has caused more problems for countries is $$. This should be an easy issue for everyone to agree upon. "Don't spend more than you make!"
@NYevo: agreed! The gov't should live like we do. If I bring home $1000 a month, then I can only spend $1000 a month. Same for gov't. They shouldn't be able to borrow without some sort of large consensus (not quite constitutional convention, but you get my point). The one thing throughout (cont)
Yes, we spend too much without paying for it directly. I agree that is the issue. Regardless of any economic argument for or against more or less taxes, legislation should've been required to be "Pay Go" from the very beginning, barring some crisis (like the banks almost failing like dominoes)
(cont) all the choices they have made in life. It is much easier for someone to say that "it's his/her fault" because they are _______ and they did/didn't _____ to me. Take responsibility for your actions and choices. Don't rely on someone else for who and what you are, and what you want in life.
There is factual proof that tax increase of any form do not increase gov't revenue. It does the exact opposite. To deny that is just plain ideological lunacy. It is harder for people to look in the mirror and accept the fact that the situation they are currently in is a sum total of (cont)
(cont) we don't go out to eat anymore, and we called the mortgage company to see if we can defer our loan for a month or two. If ALL our elected official have increased federal spending over 25% in the past 18 months, there is no reason in the world they can reduce it across the board at least 20%.
(cont) be it personal, local, state, or federal gov't. Someone asked in comments before "if we were in debt how would we solve it? get another job? Cut frivolous spending? Etc..." Well, we are beyond that. We are at the point where we have three jobs, we cut the cell phone and the cable tv (cont)