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JustBob October 15th, 2013 12:36pm

Conjoined twins, left attached until they were old enough to decide. Time has come, doctors are giving a 50% chance both will survive. One wants the surgery, one doesn't, neither is budging and you are the Judge. Verdict?

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cyanospool The Deep North
10/15/13 11:34 pm

Freedom of the individual is a right when it doesn't infringe on the rights of another individual. No, the twin who wants it does not have the right to be free if it directly threatens the rights of the other person it equally affects.

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thebob Medford Oregon
10/15/13 9:28 pm

One no means no go. Period.

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ladybug0
10/15/13 7:26 pm

I believe they should both have to consent to have any surgery. I don't believe I should be forced to have any surgery against my will (especially a one with a large chance of death), so I don't think anyone else should either.

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dahawwl Texas
10/15/13 4:33 pm

Seems like the one that wants to be separated has the right to be free.

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rons WOKE is sick
10/15/13 11:34 am

It's bad enough to have a bump on your big toe.

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cgmonin Maryland
10/15/13 8:50 am

They'd both be in pain if it happened, and if it didn't, nothing would happen. Therefore, leave them the way they are because they were born that way

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 11:07 am

I keep thinking about how bad it would suck to be stuck to my brother, one of these guys could've been waiting his whole life for this opportunity.

2katz I live in Nebraska
10/15/13 6:52 am

My verdict would be that they stay together. Feelings may change. Make them decide later. Maybe later the odds will improve. But jeez, imagine being at odds with someone you can't get away from! Hope they're together on politics and religion.

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 7:02 am

Or a chronic bed wetter

EarlyBird Portland
10/15/13 6:13 am

I would have had the surgery done when they were babies.

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 6:30 am

New age, yours is probably the best course, but that bridge has passed, what now?

EarlyBird Portland
10/15/13 6:34 am

Is it 50-50 if they stay together or are separated?

EarlyBird Portland
10/15/13 7:03 am

Ok, then I say they stay together until both agree.

Rosebud Ohio
10/15/13 6:13 am

No, it's not my choice to make. Especially when it brings the threat to their life from 0% to a 50-50 crapshoot.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/15/13 6:09 am

You were born that way, and you're staying that way until you both agree. I'm not forcing a surgery on anyone, especially with such bad odds.

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chrismisen atlanta
10/15/13 6:08 am

i'd flip a coin

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TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/15/13 6:00 am

Freedom comes first. I have them both have a psych evaluation.

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MrMilkdud
10/15/13 6:03 am

Freedom to have the procedure or freedom to not have it?

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/15/13 6:06 am

The freedom to be separated. I think freedom's a very important thing to have. If they are arguing bitterly they would not be a very pleasant people to be around.

MrMilkdud
10/15/13 6:10 am

I think there are multiple freedoms at stake here- there is also the freedom to not undergo a medical procedure against your will.

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 6:31 am

Unless you're a woman.

MrMilkdud
10/15/13 6:35 am

Kermie- if someone's life is at stake that supersedes your right to not undergo a medical procedure.
Loss of life trumps most other things

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 6:43 am

Uh, no. You would force me against my will to give blood or bone marrow so someone else won't die? I don't think so.

MrMilkdud
10/15/13 6:47 am

You're right, I wouldn't. I'm talking about acute situations.

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 6:58 am

I'm confused. What makes a fetus that may or may not even be alive more acute than a person with a rare blood type who will die if I don't give them a transfusion of my blood?

MrMilkdud
10/15/13 7:06 am

Kermie, you're way off topic. And you seem to be on a mission.
I don't see how this conversation can continue without you flying off the handle.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
10/15/13 7:09 am

I think being conjoined to somebody would be a bondage almost to the point of slavery although you do not have to do their bidding excitedly you doing it manner of speaking if a person cannot stand being conjoined anymore they should have the

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 7:13 am

Haha yes, I am off-topic. So what? Isn't this a place for free discussion? Anyway I see you have no rational comeback, so instead you attack my emotional stability and attempt to silence me. Ah well. Enjoy your day!

mikeey1962 on SOH where else
10/15/13 5:46 am

Sorry but 50% isn't good enough odds to me.. .. Till the odds of both surviving is greater, sorry but they are stuck...

kscott516 Masks fail
10/15/13 6:03 am

Even if the odds were 100% it would still not be anyone else's choice to make.

mikeey1962 on SOH where else
10/15/13 6:04 am

Nope says I am the judge.. It's my verdict..

kscott516 Masks fail
10/15/13 5:41 am

No way. Unless both agree then I would not force surgery.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 5:37 am

Sorry to ask this again. I am adding in the survival rate to, in essence, see if we are willing to force a surgery, for a non life-threatening issue, with basically coin toss odds that someone will die. As always, thanks for your vote :)

wego Utah
10/15/13 5:47 am

Good question! I keep changing my answer.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 5:50 am

Lol, thanks, me too, each answer is condemnation

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 6:33 am

It wasn't clear to me whether the survival rate was for the surgery or without it. Either way I guess my answer's the same.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/15/13 6:35 am

Sorry about that, if they undergo surgery

kermie gaytopia
10/15/13 6:44 am

An interesting twist would be whether they would likely die if they stayed together.