Do you approve of the portion of the proposed Trump administration budget that would cut Medicaid by $1.4 trillion over a decade? (see link for details)
We should be INCREASING funding, not cutting!
Oh yeah? Where is the money going to come from? You going to donate some money?
Yes. That's exactly how it works in a civilized society. Healthy people contribute to keep sick people from dying in the street.
Really? How about people buying their own insurance?
Healthcare is not a right!
We have a right to life -> right to health care.
Insurance works exactly the way I described it.
Sure, it's tepid but it's certainly a great start.
I think there's plenty of departments that could be slashed prior to this. Not against it, but everyone would be much better off if government and taxes were cut in half.
Yes most definitely. Under Obama the rate of increase of dependent people on government has increased by millions. Finally there is a budget that will not just address lower income people but will address the people that have to pay for it. Every time a budget was done there was always money thrown at entitlements and no consideration for the taxpayers now this budget allows for the taxpayers to get some relief and get those entitlement people off of welfare and get them back to work.
You realize he's only cutting taxes for the rich right? Hes actually increasing taxes on the middle class.
Goofy Don s budget is totally counter to what he proposed during his campaign . Like when he told the steel workers and coal miners "I will never forget you! Well this budget hits them the hardest and gives him a 5 billion tax break . America first doesn't mean make the wealthiest wealthier . This budget does that and we already no nothing trickles down from them.
Not to mention the Russian steel used on the pipelines
By bringing up the Russia steel, you destroyed your credibility.
Do you know why? If you can't, stay quiet.
Who cares why, the steep being used is coming from a company owned by a Russian billionare, and not america like he promised.
If you don't care, then you're just being ignorant.
He's not using American steel. Period.
Which is the opposite of helping steel workers.
Go do some more research and then we'll talk.
"I dont have an answer so I'm just not going to address it"
I did the research so why don't you do it too.
I do not want to hold your hand.
Did you ignore that article they linked?
I am well aware of what happened due to already having looked into it.
So your conclusion is what? The fox article is lying?
I didn't bother reading the article because I am already aware of what happened.
Ptellini is in clear denial. Sad. Pathetic.
If being clear denial means rejecting your facts because I have more facts, then yes I am 😊
Good job finding fake news and ignoring the facts
Hardly fake news it from getting closer to the source. #BAL call.
What are you talking about? There are no sources from you. You sound like a liberal snowflake.
I am far from a liberal snowflake. I don't go to mainstream media. I go to the source.
Why can't you guys go to the source?
You guys are getting third-party. Do I have to train you?
Has fox ever delivered true news?
It is not cutting, it is reducing the increase.
You are absolutely correct, its not a cut. It is my understanding that the rate of increase over the next 10 years is reduced from 5 percent to 3 percent. Again, the news media is misleading the public to thinking it is a cut.
Yes. There is too much waste, fraud, and abuse. They can help everyone that truly needs it with a smaller budget.
There are people that should not be on it! It was meant for our most needy.
People forget, the government does NOT pay for this waste, the tax payer does..
Why wouldn't republican legislators want to cut taxes for themselves? That's all it is. They don't care about you or the policy. They pay less taxes for Medicaid and get a government salary for obstructing laws and cutting taxes for the rich donors as a career. Congratulations.
Now the media get their slice of the pie by reporting on it. And the rest of the social media scum will profit off the info. And we'll argue about it.
Last I looked the rich are both democrats and republicans.
The working middle class will take any break they can get!
They don't care about party, they care about their pockets..
Irish. You need to learn more about the economy because more than just the rich pay taxes and making government more efficient saves the not so rich taxpayers money too.
Jazzy. Irish doesn't seem to care about all the people getting rich off of government waste and fraud.
So then why are you voting for republicans? Or moderate republican, democrats like Hillary. The estate tax trump plans to cut is going to cut 23 billion annually. Do you have over 20 million dollars you will leave for your children? If you do don't worry because trump saved your spoiled kids some dough. If you don't then be prepared to cover that 23 billion on your taxes.
The cuts to Medicaid will only be tax cuts for the rich. It's trickle down economics think
Because republicans spend tremendously less than democrats. Out of the top 70 spenders in congress 65 of them are democrats.
Because that's what democrats do. They spend your money and occasionally launder it through a bullshit program. Republicans just give it to the rich and themselves in a back handed way. It's pretty gangster actually
You obviously don't know the difference between handing out other people's money and letting people keep more of their own. Big difference.
Haha how does the rich earn the money? By putting you to work. You will pay more money for Medicaid taxes to cover the cost of the super rich tax cut.
Sorry, by putting you to work for a wage that is worth less than what you actually produce so they can make a profit
If you want to keep all the profit for yourself then start your own business. Most people choose to work for someone else because it is tremendously easier than working for themselves.
It's actually a game for them to get you to produce more and pay you less. It's the name of the game to be able to influence laws in your favor and produce the cheapest and fastest way possible.
You want people to find a way for you to make money and they should get nothing? People aren't on this planet to serve you. If you don't want to work for someone then start your own business and figure out how to make money yourself.
I do keep the profit for myself. I don't want others keep more profit for themselves and influence my life with their obscene infatuation for hoarding money and buying businesses they know nothing about.
Also not every business is run like a cooperative. If it were then that would drain the swamp of rich assholes making the decisions for a the mass of people in society. The people would take control of their work life and in turn they would take care of their political life. There would need to be a property tax on stock too. That's draining the swamp
Then start a cooperative. It is a free country. The reason that is not common because they don't work. Start a business a give people a job and let them keep all the profit. You have the freedom to do it so do it.
Cooperatives don't usually get started. That's an oxymoron under the current capitalist government. Cooperatives are a great way to save an existing business/workers from new ownership or a board of directors. Cooperative can work in every industry and they do all over the world. You need a government law offers a tax cut to owners who sell their business to their workers as cooperative when they retire.
No you don't. You can start a cooperative. If your ideas work you should be able to do it in a free society not government force. You talk about people keeping the fruits of their labor but you want government to take from people with no compensation. Like I said go start your own cooperative if that want you want but you have no right to force others into it.
There are people who would like to work for someone else. That's fine. I said the government should cut taxes for owners who decide to sell their business to their workers. I never said anything about the government taking money. The Medicaid tax cut I presume will take money from 95 percent of the population by cutting a huge portion that is paid for by the super rich leaving the little Medicaid you do have for the middle class to pay for.
The need for Medicaid won't go away and therefore your health care premiums will go up again if people can't get on Medicaid
No they shouldn't get tax cuts for that. Getting government involved is unnecessary and a waste of tax payer money. People who want cooperatives should get together and start one. No government favors necessary.
Health care executive are the highest paid executives in the United States according to Bloomberg. Wonder why? Everyone is forced to pay for health care and there is no regulation on the price. You are telling me that is not a government favor? I don't believe youre that stupid.
And poor people are getting kicked off Medicaid or not being allowed their Medicaid and it raises premiums again resulting in more profit for those health care executives. You think that's not intentional? You think it's possible the highest paid executives in the most viscous capitalist society are influencing politicians? 🤔😂
I think you are on the wrong thread but if you took the CEO pay and divided up by the amount of policies issued it only accounts for a few cents per policy so your assertion is wrong. Also healthcare providers are limited to a 5% profit which most already had a slimmer profit than that.
Exactly health care is limited to 5 percent profit so to maximize profits (which is what you're suppose to do under capitalism) then you need to maximize membership. Starting to make sense now?
I'm not on the wrong thread. I don't think you understand that defunding Medicaid results in people leaving Medicaid and paying for health insurance. Increasing the demand. What happens when the demand increases. Your price raises!
Want more supply? Need more poppys think? You know where they're at. It's not a secret afghan is our opium supply.
Hmm so you want to "cut taxes" on Medicaid which will raise health care premiums. While raising "defense spending" so that we can supply more opioids for the health care industry. This all sounds great for the health care executives not the middle class.
... execs not middle class
Healthcare premiums were way less before government fixed it and 5% profit is very little by most standards.
To chase fraud you need more people funded and I would agree that should be done.
I disagree they need more money. They need more accountability and budget cuts force them to.
Here's a good question regarding healthcare insurance. I heard an advertisement on the radio for something called medi-share. It's a Christian based healthcare sharing plan where you pay premiums just like insurance. They negotiate prices just like insurance and the the bills. And since insurance companies are only allowed a 20% profit now by law, medi-share should only be 20% less money. But it's not. It's half price. So either the insurance companies are lying about theirs profits or they have some magical book keeping. My point is, if we dump the insurance companies, it looks like our costs would drop in half. That's a good start.
Breck here is a story about how insurers are making 3 to 5% and it is from a left leaning source. www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-profits-20160427-snap-htmlstory.html
Obamacare limits profit to 5% which they generally didn't make anyway. "They projected a profit margin of 3% to 5% on the exchanges in 14 states where Anthem sells Blue Cross and Blue Shield policies. That's up from earlier guidance of 1% to 2%."
Ok, but it has to be a book keeping scam. Because medi-share is non profit, and it's not 5% less. It's half price. Someone is lying. Money is flowing somewhere besides healthcare.
Sorry I was wrong. It's only supposed to be a 5% profit now. It's even worse than I suspected.
I would have to look into it but it could be because they are a religious organization that they don't have to provide the same coverage required by obamacare. I highly doubt for the exact same coverage it is half.
I think the only things they don't cover are the abortion pill and similar. I can't think of anything else that a Christian would be against. No insurance covers in-vitro or viagra.
There's a short video that explains it. It's interesting.
I like that idea. Also BCBST left Obamacare today.
Yes, Ôbamacare is imploding under its own weight. So something has to be done.
Have you looked at the budget breakdown 600 billion for military and another 60 added by Goofy Don. This is the republican holy grail to keep supporting the huge military industrial complex.
Once Obamacare is gone watch the unregulated insurance guys jack up their rates and lower what's covered exponentially. Then the big Pharma will jack up their pricing and once again the middle class gets stuffed.
Ôbamacare is imploding under its own weight. Someone has to do something. The people it's supposed to help are losing their healthcare insurance right now. Look. www.tennessean.com/story/money/2016/09/26/bcbst-pull-out-obamacare-exchange-nashville-knoxville-and-memphis/90742822/
How do expose fraud without sufficient people including judicial . Congress passes laws and never funds fraud investigation and prosecution
Kc planning to leave today
If funding the military keeps you safe and you get a tax break, what do you care? Why do you worry about anyone else? You're listening to lies. They're actually increasing Medicaid by 6.9%. But they asked for more, so they say it's a cut. It's not a cut. It's a scam congress does every time someone does this. You can't get more money than last year and say it's a cut. Your envy is going to eat your insides. Instead of envy try emulation. You'll enrich your life and feel better about yourself too.
Heh? Totally bs
Do you find yourself complaining a lot about things you can't control? That's not good for you.
Blackc complains about problems he can control.
Should be no need for it at all really.
When there are 50 million uninsured what's your plan? Death ovens?
They can get insurance if they want it.
The CBo estimates that Trumpcare will raise premiums exponentially .old people will especially be priced out of insurance A guy making 26.5 will have his premiums raise to 11k . Yes he has or will have access but it won't cover anything and he can't afford it anyway. Employers won't have to offer group rates anymore and pre existing g conditions will make even more inaccessible . But Goofy Don s supporters seem to trust blindly every thing he says . During campaign he said no cuts to Medicaid and this budget guts it by 880 billion and gives 664 billion in tax breaks to the extremely wealthy
Never said I trust him. What I want are restrictions put on the I surname companies for what they can charge.
Give more to those that have, to hell with those that don't, seems to be the motto of this administration. Unacceptable.
With Obamacare gone the rich get richer through a huge tax break
Yeah. Okay. Keep dreaming.
Check out CBO report its online - 664 billion tax break for extremely wealthy
In California more than 30% of the population (over 11 million) are on Medicaid.
A program originally meant for the poor and disabled has expanded beyond it's scope.
100% of the population should be on medicare
100% of the population is it over 65
And let poorer people lose healthcare. You're utter vermin.
So you're saying it's a win-win? Wasteful Government programs benefit disproportionally Non-White leeches. It's time to cut these money suckers free.
Legion has a point. Time to work.
@Dex - the definition of "poor" is now HHI up to $51K/year to be eligible. Hardly "poor".
Democrats love to use "poor" to garner votes. The truly poor, yes, but when the eligibility keep getting pushed up just for votes...that's a problem.
Legion doesn't have a point. Are you seriously gonna side with a guy who says healthcare pays for "non-White leeches"? You're messed up.
There is a point here. It's That those retirees on Medicare who can't afford the copays and monthly premiums get a welfare program of Medicaid. It's the government paying the government. There are insurance programs that have small monthly fees that cover the copays. But people aren't forced to buy them. I think that those that have to rely on Medicaid to supplement Medicare have only Social security to rely on and didn't save for the future or get a job with benefits. Perhaps we also need to look at a system that forces people to take 15% of their money and invest it in a Roth IRA. A forced IRA so to speak. Similar to Social security but more money and fully willable. Even if you worked for minimum wage, by the time you retired you would have a million dollars tax free. If the government is worried about money they could have the money invested in tax free municipal bonds to build infrastructure.
Hopefully we won't need nearly that much Medicaid money when the economy pumps up and people go back to work. Hopefully.
You mean lose publically funded ACCESS to medical services.
Nobody loses healthcare. It is not an object, it is access to services paid by other people.
If you cut education funding you don't lose education.
If you want free everything for everyone you should get your verbage correct if you want to make a lucid argument.
When entitlement spending will be 77% of the federal budget by 2024, and costs will increase 72% (direct CBO budget forecast -not a partisan news journalist) by that time period if nothing is done - then yes, something should be done to keep it from growing.
The federal government can't be the caregiver/nanny to society. People need to plan for themselves and allow markets to come up with more efficient ways to treat people. As it is now, we have a partial/socialists Medicare program - a "free market" that subsidizes it, and taxpayers money. More government isn't the answer, it's why we're in this mess in the first place. Anything to make it smaller - bring it on.
Exactly what happened in Greece already. That government essentially crumbled. We are on the path to look exactly like them if we do not make some changes.
Any cut is a good cut.
That is so wrong it hurts.
Well ur a communist so you don't have much credibility
This is so wrong it hurts.
-not a communist
Socialist with a gun is a communist.
"Everyone except me is wrong and a communist"
Most of the people under these programs are in states where trump won along with congressional districts. Expect democrats to gain in 2018.
Unless of course they get jobs and are grateful to be off Medicaid and food stamps.
Most of them have jobs idiot. Why do you guys assume they are lazy? Wish you fell in hard times and lost your job to see if you had the same mentality and couldn't find a job.
I assume you are a white middle class person right? But fuck working class right? They just leech off and don't work.
What are you talking about? We're talking about Medicaid. Isn't that a welfare medical program for extremely poor people. If you have a job above the destitute level you have to get an Ôbamacare plan that's subsidized 100% at the bottom to 0% subsidized at incomes above $90,000. At those levels a company should have you on their plan. Are you a student that doesn't know how the world works? Don't be a jerk.
Sorry I apologize. I should have said, don't act like a jerk. Completely different.
You had me at cut
Have your parents needed long term care yet?
No matter how much money they have it won't be enough.
EVERYONE OF YOU WILL NEED MEDICAID FOR THEM.
My wife and I took care of her parents. He was a millionaire. Didn't matter.
MIL came down with Alzheimer's and needed EIGHT YEARS of intensive assistive living care. At $6,000 a month.
Medicaid is jointly funded by federal and state governments. You are taxed at 2.9% or less. All fifty states contribute, with CA and NY heavily donating to everyone.
Compared to footing the bill for your parents yourself, in my view, Medicaid is a safety net ALL of us will need.
Let Medicaid do it's job. The push for a cut of $880 Million will kill your parents and force anguish and suffering on yourselves.
Nation wide issues of this magnitude should be adjudicated at a federal level.
Oppose Medicaid cuts.
Or your parents will suffer. Then when you need it, you'll have shot yourselves in the foot.
Budget cuts kill people?
Money saves people?
Perhaps better allocation of existing funds saves people and poor allocation of funds "kill" people.
Efficiencies save people, inefficiencies "kill" people.
More money is not always the answer or New York public schools, California roads and the Clinton campaign would all be first class and the gold standard for everyone else.
Don't you mean Medicare? Assuming your parents are of age to get Medicare and are unable to work, Medicaid should do nothing for them because they should be covered under Medicare. Unless I'm missing something extremely huge in what you were trying to say, I believe your argument may have a few holes.
Beams- Medicare does not cover 100%. Most seniors rely on a secondary ins to cover remaining costs that Medicare doesn't pay. And benefits for long term care are also limited under Medicare (thousands of dollars/month adds up real fast). Medicaid picks up the remainder of what most on a significantly fixed income can't cover out of pocket.
Yes. I cuts out the leeches of society and makes them work. There is no reason an able bodied person should get Medicaid.
Because they're poor...
Yes. It's a welfare program.
That saves lives and cares for children.
Yes, we need to get more people off entitlements if we are going to save them for future generations amid rising costs and shrinking tax bases. Medicaid, along with Social Security and Medicare, will be insolvent in the next couple decades if action is not taken now and I applaud President Trump for his political courage in taking on this long term challenge.
Yeah. Kicking the most vulnerable down in the hopes that our productivity and our economy don't follow.. People are happier and better workers when their kids have health care. They're healthier (and put less strain on our hospitals) when they have access to a doctor's office for cheap or free. This cut will adversely affect the country.
There's a lot of fat to be cut, yes
If I have a budget of $100 your kid's breakfast, and I cut it to $50, it doesn't mean I hate breakfast or kids. It means they don't need $100 per meal
Not a perfect analogy since healthcare is not like breakfast, but the point is there is useless fat in administration and other areas that should be cut
I like the way you think. See my comment above.
Right but a blanket cut will go for the wrong areas. Increasing efficiency of the program wont come from a blanket cut. A cut before identifying any 'fat' will target the quality of care and scope of coverage.
What kind of meal does $50 buy? Did the breakfast just go from whole grains to little debbies?
At least kids would eat little Debbie's. The waste in these kids food profits unbelievable. To your point, we now feed kids 3 meals a day and 7 days a week in some areas. So what happened to the food stamps that we gave the parents to feed the kids? Did we just double up on costs? You do know that the food industry lobbyists got all this passed and got rich off this?
I'm talking about Medicare. And "at least it's little debbies" is not good enough. We won't grow by feeding ourselves shit and paying to police the world. Conservatives say take care of America first....unless you're poor obviously.
As far as food stamps go. Yes, there is waste especially when it's just money with no education attached. Free lunches have "strict" requirements for nutrition but food stamps can buy anything under the damn sun that isn't hot! Personally I've always supported counseling (or some other cost effective (because it pays off) education on nutrition) and a restriction on sugary drinks, snacks and most processed foods.
How do you know they're not targeting the fat?
Because the fat is from another budget
Yes, when we are going to scrap material for spare parts and available units are below 50%.
There seem to be more jobs available now which may help to eliminate the need for Medicaid for many people. One of my kids gets Medicaid because he couldn't find a good job. Since Trump was inaugurated he has more hours at work, so his need for Medicaid may no longer be necessary.
By the way, Medicaid is the bare minimum and one has to go through many hoops to get care. Fortunately, with the exception of one illness, he hasn't used it.
And replace it with what? And at what cost?
Yes. All the democrats can do is say people will die and other fearmongering shit. How about the government stop stealing from the rich and giving to the most high risk people to get the same quality healthcare. leave it to the states!
Not even just the rich, the people who work for a living.
And what of the disabled that are unable to work?
Hell no. People WILL die because of this, and the blood is on Trump's tiny hands.
Yeah because healthcare is a human right and the government should have to pay for it....
Because poor people will no longer be able to afford care and they will die.
Yes, it's right there in the constitution, article something or other.
In all seriousness, it depends on whether or not the alternative proposal has merit or not. Promises promises. If you can get people jobs that give them opportunities for healthcare, then Medicaid is not needed. But if you just say you were going to but do not, and still cut aid, I think that is extremely dishonest. I think time will tell.
Perhaps we also need a reform of healthcare costs. Why does it cost $4500 to get a bandaid in the emergency room? Why does it cost $20,000 for a kid to get a cast on his arm after he falls out of the tree and breaks his arm? The president is trying to save money by cutting costs, a noble cause when you're trying to keep a country from imploding. Maybe prices are out of control and we just shouldn't have to pay it anymore. Don't ask me how to do that without a Venezuela style takeover, but maybe you can figure it out.
That's different from the coverage to pay for it. You don't control the price by changing the buying power of poor people. Prices don't drop, poor people just dont get the care they need.
Since we aren't allowed to turn anyone away from an emergency room, somebody has to pay for it.
Costs more to take away the insurance and just pay the hospitsl bills.
How so beach? Wouldn't we save money by not having to pay the insurance companies profits?