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krazeelkyt Ohio
11/11/19 8:40 am

I support unions when they do what they’re supposed to do. I’m always for the rights of people, either from the government or from business.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/11/19 4:14 pm

The opposite. In right to work states I'm simply dismissive of them, but in the other places, where they are permitted to assert undeserved and unearned power over decent people who are just trying to make a living, I despise everything about them with every fiber of my being.

Zfilakas Eleftheria i Thanatos
11/11/19 9:59 am

Yup. IBEW apprentice.

11/11/19 11:26 pm

Against corruption. Who wouldn’t be? Totally for collective bargaining, power to the people.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/12/19 7:23 pm

Is that before or after the amount of their wages they spend on unions and union related nonsense? Without all of the detail going into that "study", given the source, I'd want to see all of the data before believing any part of the summary. "Funding: Eight labor unions made a five-year funding pledge to EPI at its inception..." Not that it matters, in my experience the unquantifiable, the far greater level of happiness enjoyed by non-union workers, more than makes up for that small difference. In any case, in right to work states union membership is a free choice, in the others union membership is the result of not having a choice. Sold on the union, by al means, join. Still don’t see any advantage to union membership, no problem, its why we call it "right to work".


clmcd42 Texas
11/13/19 6:56 am

That's not what a right to work law is... Read the first couple paragraphs:

Right to work laws mean that unions are forced to represent people who don't pay dues...

clmcd42 Texas
11/13/19 6:57 am

So if you want to let people not join the union/pay dues, then you ought to be ok with them not getting represented by the union.

clmcd42 Texas
11/12/19 6:56 pm

"Using only standard and relevant factors in the regression analysis yields a consistent finding: wages in RTW states are 3.1 percent lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic factors as well as state macroeconomic indicators. This translates into RTW being associated with $1,558 lower annual wages for a typical full-time, full-year worker."

They controlled for that. Workers make 3.1% lower income in "right to work" states after controlling for state macroeconomic indicators and other factors.,RTW%20states%20have%20lower%20wages.

clmcd42 Texas
11/11/19 5:07 pm

Do you despise the fact that people who work in states without so-called "right to work" legislation make higher wages on average?

11/11/19 5:16 pm

Which state do you think has a much higher cost of living New York or Alabama?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/13/19 1:23 pm

None of the gibberish presented by the union club (EPI) is what right to work laws generally are intended to do, and there is no standard right to work law. The details vary from state to state, among the states that even have them. But absolutely yes, ideally the law would insulate me or any worker from the union, and no one who didn’t of their own free will join the union should be subjected to any provision in the union contract. No dues, no unwanted "benefits", no checking with the union for schedule or workplace changes, or promotions, or any other union BS.