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TomLaney1 November 5th, 2017 10:52pm

Christians: Myths People Believe About their Pastors, #1. Please keep comments respectful. The purpose of this series is NOT to bash ministers, but to adjust our expectations & support them better. See comments. “Pastors only work on Sundays.” T or M

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lcamino Florida and Georgia
11/05/17 4:57 pm

Just preparing for a sermon each week would take a lot of time in prayer, study, writing, and practice. Then there is counseling. Visiting church members, the sick, elderly, and church visitors. Talking with families to prepare for wedding and funerals, and preforming the ceremonies. I’m sure there are meetings, planning, mid week services and activities.

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Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/05/17 4:25 pm

Never heard anyone say that ever

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MrMilkdud
11/05/17 5:35 pm

Would have participated, but 4JC and I have each other on ignore (again) so I’m going to have to sit this series out, Tom.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/05/17 3:55 pm

This is the series I’m posting for 4JC. She’ll post the article in a moment!

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 4:04 pm

@tlaney1 , as a minister of music, do you have anything to add to this one?

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
11/09/17 8:38 pm

Thanks to both of you. I’m reminded of the time 4jc asked me, RussianThunder and NKarta for some Jewish viewpoint. The three of us ended up disagreeing with each other.

Honestly, I’m a bit lost in the many details, but I think the two of you agree on the following. A pastor is an overall leader, a “shepherd” and caretaker of his congregation. A minister has specific and specialized duties.

Is that pretty close?



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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 5:04 pm

EXACTLY, Icamino! If you didn’t see my comments below, please read them. Every week, Tom will be posting the question for me, so that we reach more Christians, and then I will be posting a portion from an article about this for every myth, debunking the myths that people believe about their pastors.

You wouldn’t believe how many people we’ve had ask hubby, “What do you do all week, pastor?” Or “But pastors only work on Sundays!”

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sea California
11/05/17 8:28 pm

This is why I said that it takes a special person to be a pastor. I think its very self sacrificing.

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lcamino Florida and Georgia
11/05/17 4:50 pm

Just posted an update on your Texas church shooting poll, 4JC

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 5:40 pm

You wouldn’t have to be a pastor to hear it. But I can just about guarantee if you were a pastor, you would’ve heard it! Lol

We’ve heard it numerous times, along with, “What do pastors DO all week?” “A pastor only works 3 times a week—Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night.”

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 3:57 pm

1. They only work on Sundays.

While a pastor’s workload varies from denomination to denomination, a LifeWay Research study found 65 percent of evangelical pastors worked over 55 hours per week and eight percent worked more than 70 hours per week. Sermon prep, meetings, administration, counseling, church activities, and personal study take up the majority of a pastor’s workweek. Most pastors take a day off during the week to make up for the weekend’s work, yet 40 percent report working seven days a week. Doesn’t sound too healthy, does it? (2 Timothy 4:5)


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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 4:03 pm

I can personally tell you that my hubby, when a full time pastor, often averaged 60-80 hour work weeks. A pastor NEVER feels that all his work is done, because there is always someone else in need of help or ministering to.

Pastors often bring their burdens about people, their sins, their secrets, their health conditions, their family problems, their occupational problems, their financial problems, home with them.

It seems their work is never done, and they can’t just turn off the care they feel for their congregants when they go home.

Their work often interferes with family time and even vacation time. They’re on call 24/7/365, with no one else to take their place in times of tragedy, illness, death, etc.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
11/09/17 3:37 pm

Please help me out. As a non-Christian, I honestly never knew there was a difference between pastors and ministers. What are the differences?


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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 9:04 pm

Thanks so much, sea! That’s a great way to put it, because you basically do sacrifice your entire life to the ministry. EVERYTHING about your life centers around the ministry.

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evoecon nearest binary system
11/05/17 9:06 pm

Not only do they work daily, they do not work 'normal' business hours.

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/06/17 2:24 pm

First, I️ want to point out that I don’t use the terms “pastor” & “minister” interchangeably. I believe that “pastors” have very specific Biblical requirements that ministers don’t necessarily met. Ministers, as we know them, did not exist in the first century really, because the roles that we have assigned to them were fulfilled by others, often pastors. (Pastors are also called elders & bishops in the NT.)

All that said, my response to your poll is “No, ministers do not only work on Sunday & no one doing anything for the Lord should ONLY do that one day a week.” 🙂

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/08/17 10:09 pm

EXACTLY, evoecon! Thank you! Hubby would often be in meetings until 9 or 10 PM, while I was home, getting the kids to bed by myself.

I couldn’t tell you how many times we’ve been woken from a dead sleep for him to go to the hospital.

And he’s even had to fly home from one of our vacations, while we stayed at the vacation site and waited for him to do a funeral, and fly back, cutting into our days of vacation, which did NOT get made up! And even when we went on a trip to see family or vacation, he was often studying for the next Sunday’s sermons while I drove! Lol

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:53 pm

Wow! Way to boil it down to two sentences, GA! I was thinking that myself about our convo—comparing it to the discussion with NK and RT—and hoping that we hadn’t totally overwhelmed you!

I had no clue that other denominations look at this differently. I mean, I knew that others have elders instead of deacons, but I thought they basically performed the same duties.

Let me ask you this, Bama—in your churches, are all (or at least a good variety) of the members expected to find areas to minister in? Not as professional ministers, but giving something back in service to the church body—like serving on committees, teaching in Sunday school or other classes, singing solos, playing musical instruments, etc.?

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:53 pm

2) Some of our churches do spiritual gifts surveys, which help you discover your giftedness in Christ, and then help you put that giftedness to use in the church. Here is one of those surveys, if you’re interested:

www.lifeway.com/lwc/files/lwcF_PDF_Discover_Your_Spiritual_Gifts.pdf


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Domino3 Abolish the ATF
11/05/17 5:25 pm

Why would I have to be a pastor to hear that?

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 7:22 pm

Yes, we can have a church with only one pastor. Some churches have associate pastors, youth pastors, etc. It just depends on the size of the church and what they can afford. Most small churches can only afford a pastor, and a lot of them can’t even afford to pay one full time, so the pastor is called bivocational and works a secular job in addition to pastoring. That’s what hubby is doing now, though he’s pastored full time churches before.

We don’t have elders. We have deacons. And the answer to that question is as varied as there are SBC churches! Lol In some churches, the pastor rules with an iron fist, but they are few and far between.

Most of the time, the pastor and the board of deacons make decisions together, along with the church council. And there is a monthly business meeting in which church members can vote on decisions that the church is making on spending money, ministries, etc.

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/09/17 7:22 pm

I basically agree with most of your first three points when you get to the fourth point I disagree on the committee thing.

I completely disagree with your fifth point, because anyone can speak at or preach a funeral or wedding. Granted for wedding they must be recognized by the state, but from a church standpoint there is no licensure required according to the Bible. I think I would agree with most of the 6th point.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:17 pm

To preach in a SBC church, you have to be licensed and ordained.

Teaching is a different story.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:18 pm

I’ve never been to a funeral that wasn’t religious and I’ve only been to one wedding that wasn’t.

I especially see weddings as religious, as Christ’s love for the church as his Bride pictures.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
11/08/17 8:13 pm

Tom, if you can remember, please tag me into the polls in this series. I talked to 4jc about it and she agrees. I’m pretty sure that most of these myths will apply equally to rabbis. *This* one certainly does!


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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:21 pm

No, sorry, I hadn’t even noticed the links you posted. Picture of Trump? I don’t see a picture of Trump in the article I posted. I’m wondering if that sent you to some other site!

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 3:55 pm

💠 tlaney1 asked:
11/05/2017
Christians: Myths People Believe About their Pastors, #1. Please keep comments respectful. The purpose of this series is NOT to bash ministers, but to adjust our expectations & support them better. See comments. “Pastors only work on Sundays.” T or M

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/09/17 7:26 pm

Practically everything that you just said in response to my questions is where we disagree. From a biblical point of view I don’t think they’re can ever be just one pastor... which is the same thing as an elder in the Bible. The words are actually used interchangeably to describe the same group of men. Also only ministers are paid in the churches that I grew up in. Elders are not paid nor are deacons. Often ministers will have a second job in small congregations.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 3:57 pm

Thanks, everyone for joining us in this series of Myths that People Believe About their Pastors. We did the intro for the series last weekend. If you didn’t read my comments then, please go back and read them as they introduce and explain what we’re trying to accomplish in this series.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:26 pm

Ok. I think what you’re describing as elders/pastors/bishops/shepherds are what we call deacons—they RUN the church and hire what you call the minister—which we call the pastor.

Our deacons are a plurality—usually 5 or more men, depending on the size of the church—they also have to meet Biblical requirements and must be ordained as deacons. But most SBC churches are trying to get them away from running the church and doing more ministry to the widows and shut ins, orphans, etc like the Bible says.

So I think we’re basically using the terms in complete opposite ways—what I consider a pastor, you consider a minister. I’m not sure. Sorry. This is all very foreign to me. Do you mind sharing your denomination?

I’ll try to read the articles.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/05/17 3:58 pm

Have done, Tom! Thanks so much for posting these for me to reach more Christians! I REALLY appreciate it!

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/09/17 8:28 pm

The sentence before that is
“Lastly, he shouldn’t be a newly converted individual and must bear irrefutable respect from people outside the church.” & now it’s an ad that says “Small Business”.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:29 pm

Ok. I read the first article. We see the pastor as the person that both shepherds the flock and preaches. One position—overseeing the flock, ministering to them, teaching, preaching, etc. He has a LOT on his plate! Lol

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:32 pm

Ok. I’m not sure about what we’re talking about with ads and all. In Safari, I can get rid of the ads and just do reader view. So I’m pasting the entire article here. Please copy and paste the part you have problems with from that. Will that work?

Difference Between Minister and Pastor
Minister vs Pastor

There are many names given to the preachers of the faith. Across many specific religions, the roles and titles of these people may somehow vary. So many people become confused with the terms: priest, reverend, pastor, and minister. It is probably the pastor and the minister that have the most confusing distinction.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:33 pm

2) In the Bible, it is clearly defined that a pastor is a person holding an office. He must meet a certain criteria or qualification in order for him to become one. In the book of Titus and 1st Timothy, a pastor is described chiefly as an elder. The term itself is derived from the Greek word “poimain,” which literally means “shepherd.” In the first chapter of Titus, pastors must be appointed in every city or district. As such, they must act as the area’s overseers. Paul’s conversation to a group of elders is also stated in the book of Acts with him exclaiming to the group that they have been regarded as the overseers who’ll shepherd God’s church. This clearly shows that a pastor is an elder.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 7:33 pm

So your church doesn’t have committees? Or the pastor doesn’t oversee them?

It might be different now, since ANYONE can go online and get certified to marry someone, which I feel cheapens a wedding ceremony. I feel that it should be a pastor or minister that is licensed as such, to preach a Biblical wedding.

And I do believe to marry someone in an SBC church you have to be at least licensed. I’ll have to ask hubby about that one later, when he’s available to talk.

I’ve never attended a funeral in which there was someone OTHER than a minister (and a lot of times 2 different ones share the service) that officiated. But all the funerals I’ve attended have been Christian ones, also, and I’m assuming that’s what we’re talking about.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:33 pm

3) Furthermore, Titus 1:5-9 also highlights the other important qualifications of a pastor. First, he must be a man above reproach. Second, he must be wed to only one wife. Third, he must possess the following qualities: prudent, temperate, hospitable, respectable, knows how to teach, not a wine addict, non-aggressive, peace loving, gentle, and not easily enslaved by the passion of money.

Fourth, he should be the father of his very own household. Lastly, he shouldn’t be a newly converted individual and must bear irrefutable respect from people outside the church.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 7:33 pm

2) I’m not saying that other people can’t speak at a funeral. I’ve seen lots of family members get up and speak about their loved one, for example. But in all the funerals I’ve been to, there is a set format. The minister reads the obituary card, which included details about the person that passed away. This person might also tell personal stories that the family has told him when preparing for the funeral.

The other part of the funeral might be officiated by that same minister or another one that preaches from the Bible (and thus needs to be a minister). Some pastors like hubby focus on Scripture that COMFORTS the loved ones. But others do full out salvation sermons, trying to lead others to Christ so they will one day see their loved one again.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:34 pm

4) In the Roman Catholic sense, the pastor is the priest of a certain parish (one single church community) unlike in the Protestant sense wherein it is more of a job title offered to someone who is able to work as the religious head.

In addition, ministers are generally found in the Protestant setup. To become one, this person should have been officially ordained. He can be an ordained minister but is not immediately assumed to perform the duties of a pastor whereas a pastor is already assumed to be able to perform the duties of a minister. When you become ordained as a minister, it means that you have been duly acknowledged as a trusted, religious figure or authority.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 8:34 pm

5) Summary:

1.The term “pastor” means an “elder, overseer or shepherd.”
2.The pastor of the Roman Catholic Church is the priest of the parish.
3.The pastor of the Protestant Church is the religious leader. It’s more of a job position or title.
4.The term “minister” means “preacher.” All pastors can perform the duties of a minister, but not all ministers can act as pastors.


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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:38 pm

Sure, GA. Here’s an article that pretty well sums it up. But we take issue with the sentence that says he must be the father of his own household. That Scripture actually says he must rule his household well. In other words, his kids are expected to be well behaved, etc. Please read this article before you read what I’ve said below, because the article tells what the difference is, according to Scripture, whereas below, I’ve fleshed out what a pastor does that a minister doesn’t and the differences.

www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/religion-miscellaneous/difference-between-minister-and-pastor/

In addition to this article, please read what I said above.

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/09/17 8:34 pm

I️ grew up in the church of Christ.

We have deacons who are servants which is Biblical.

We have three different titles that might be used...
Elders
Deacons
Ministers

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:39 pm

2) A minister can be someone that preaches only, or is a minister of music that never preaches, but only leads music. He can be a minister of youth that only leads youth. He can be a minister of education that never preaches but leads the educational part of church (Sunday school classes, Discipleship Training classes, etc.) He can be a minister of administration in larger churches, where that all he does is administer the business side of the church.

I know of churches that have ministers of missions that all they do is coordinate people going on mission trips, etc. And all of the above ministers can also be preachers that preach, filling in for the pastor when he is out of town, on vacation, preaching a revival, at a convention, etc.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
11/10/17 10:17 am

That was very interesting, albeit a bit confusing! This would be a good opportunity for me to highlight what a rabbi does, including some of the similarities and differences with Christian clergy.

A rabbi does all of the things described above, with one big exception. A rabbi does not evangelize. Jews accept converts, but do not actively seek them. On the other hand, becoming a Jew requires a lot of knowledge. So, rabbis do teach prospective converts, when asked to.

Originally, the word “rabbi” was derived from “my teacher.” Teaching is central to being a rabbi. That does *not* negate all of the other duties, as already mentioned. That is counseling, administrative duties, preparing sermons and all the rest of it!

Finally, an important responsibility is keeping the synagogue and congregants on track with Jewish law. For example, the rabbi would ensure that the kitchen is kept strictly kosher.


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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:40 pm

3) Some ministers/preachers are called to evangelism instead of pastoring. Think Billy Graham. Although he has pastored a church before, most people including him would say his true calling is to preach sermons that will lead people to accept Christ. This is the definition of an evangelist. They don’t pastor churches, but do revivals, which are a series of meetings from town to town, in which lots of people come to hear about Jesus.

Whereas a pastor is called to preach all kinds of sermons—to lead people to Christ, to help them grow as Christians, to help them grow as a church, to teach them Biblical doctrine, and the overall teachings of the Bible, etc.

A pastor also visits people in the community to try to lead them to Christ, invite them to church, etc. He visits church members in hospitals and nursing homes. When church members go in for surgery, some pastors sit with the family members, often ALL DAY LONG.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:41 pm

4) In some churches, pastors lead all committee meetings (there are committees that cover EVERY aspect of the church—hospitality, benevolence, maintenance, church council (which includes treasurer, secretary, heads of all major organizations, such as Sunday School, Discipleship Training, Missions Organizations (In SBC churches, there are missions organizations for men, women, preschoolers, elementary aged boys, elementary aged girls, teen boys, teen girls). So a pastor can have SEVERAL committee meetings per week, usually at night because members work.

In other churches, pastors are just ex-officio members of committees, which means they’re more of an advisor to those committees. That would mean they don’t have to be at all these meetings, unless they’re requested by the members of the committee to be.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:41 pm

5) He officiates funerals and weddings. A minister can do this also, as long as he’s licensed. Some ministers are also ordained which takes it a step further.

I think the intro to my Myths People Believe about Pastors also talks about the things that pastors spend their time doing—and it’s probably included in this one, below, I think, since it’s talking about the time he spends on ministry.

Besides studying for 3 sermons a week, pastors of small churches often teach at least one Sunday School or Discipleship Training class they have to study for every week. They also often have to write newsletter articles, get their sermon titles and Scripture to the church secretary (if the pastor or his wife doesn’t fulfill that role ALSO!) by a certain time every week.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
11/09/17 6:41 pm

6) If it’s a church that has more than one minister, they have weekly staff meetings and preside over those. They often attend weekly meetings with other pastors, and serve in roles in the denomination.

That’s all I can think of, off the top of my head. Hope this helps. If you have any further questions, let me know.

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