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skinner July 8th, 2013 1:51am

You are a citizen in the election of 1800 who do you vote for Federalist incumbent John Adams or Democratic Republican challenger Thomas Jefferson?

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 7:06 pm

How can one be too pro state? The 10th amendment makes the federal government pro state not like we follow it but it leaves most things to the state

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 7:09 pm

Reach back and recapture it. We must remember and learn from our history or be doomed to relearn it in person.

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political Georgia
07/07/13 7:16 pm

Mr. States' rights!

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Emily33 North Carolina
07/07/13 7:07 pm

Because that's when I was in AP US history and I could more appropriately answer this. It's been awhile. My schooling is escaping me.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:12 pm

John Adams wanted a standing army and a ready navy. Thomas Jefferson thought this was a big threat to the sovereignty of the individual states. I disagreed.

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political Georgia
07/07/13 7:23 pm

I am bewildered! JK

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:00 pm

Why! He passed the alien and sedition acts!

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:08 pm

Yeah Beach the state's formed the union and are the actual ones in charge of the government owned by the people.

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:39 pm

Why not? In his original Declaration of Independence he tried to include a provision banning slavery in America

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:14 pm

But he didn't, our nation stayed united.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:15 pm

It did, but are you asking my opinion or trying to vote for me?

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:15 pm

There is never a time for authoritarianism

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political Georgia
07/07/13 7:18 pm

Haha! What else would you expect from a small government conservative?

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 6:54 pm

Alien and sedition acts force a vote for Jefferson even though in hindsight he is no better as he expanded federal power over his own cognitive dissidence

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:26 pm

Thekk as usual is right

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:00 pm

How did he expand federal power? He reduced tax rates, the military, and the bureaucracy

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:02 pm

How was he a Southern radical?

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skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:03 pm

Good point, still he has followed the constitution better than most presidents

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NUwriter
07/07/13 8:29 pm

The standing army was a big threat to the liberty of the people.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:08 pm

Yes, well before the constitution, we had the articles of confederation.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:37 pm

Also, I have my black heritage. Thomas Jefferson doesn't mix well with that.

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Emily33 North Carolina
07/07/13 7:13 pm

Yeah. Wish i held on to it better. Guess I have some reading to do :)

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 7:42 pm

Federalism is wrong simply that it concentrates power in the hands of a few and removes representation from the people. It is a steady tramp toward tyranny.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:14 pm

It was a time when we needed a strong Federalist, in my opinion. Until there was at least a fair, broad tax base, a national currency, a standing army, and a strong court system.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:17 pm

I said federalist. It wasn't the time for anything even close to authoritarian rule. John Adams was a founding father, too, skinner. I'm surprised you would disgrace him as authoritarian.

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 7:23 pm

Being a founder does not deify a man. He put in place some of the worst freedom killing laws ever conceived. He also chose to ignore the lessons of Washington and entangled us with France, seeded the Barbary wars and the quasi war.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:27 pm

I never said he was perfect, but, like I said, Jefferson was a smart man. Not one that I would vote for.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:29 pm

We're all right, you just agree with him more. People that voted for John Adams weren't wrong. They were just different, northern, and left.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:01 pm

Beside that. Jefferson was a southern radical. Brilliant, but, no.

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Fjolsvin Midgard
07/07/13 7:01 pm

He purchased Louisiana without the consent of the legislature a power that he did not believe that he held but he chose to do it anyway. Not as brutal an overstep as we see now but boiling frogs and all

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:04 pm

He was too pro-state.

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Emily33 North Carolina
07/07/13 7:06 pm

I wish you asked me this about 7 years ago.

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NUwriter
07/07/13 8:27 pm

So beachst, you support Adams for a "broad tax base, national currency, standing army, and a strong court system" - so basically, everything the revolution was fought against.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:37 pm

I would just prefer a federalist. Why is this a big issue for you? Am I wrong..?

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sarah1911 Poolesville MD
07/10/13 8:44 am

I thought his state was Massachusetts and they're 50/50.

skinner Jersey City
07/07/13 7:38 pm

It's your opinion as a democratic republican I think you're entitled to that. It just happens that your opinion is wrong.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:10 pm

It was a different time. A time when Im from Massachusetts kind of disqualified you from finding a kind couple willing to let you spend the night in Virginia. Someone too pro state could have threatened the unification of our new nation. No thank you

flobotscott88
07/08/13 11:22 am

Thomas Jefferson is too states rights and a flip flopper. John Adams was a good president who validated to the world that we are the United States of America and not a bunch of states that are barely attached to each other.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:42 pm

He tried a lot of things. Many we're deemed too radical.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:46 pm

Okay, good night, y'all take it easy.

skinner Jersey City
07/08/13 11:34 am

Adams was also a monarchist who passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, Jefferson endorsed small local government, what do you have against state's?

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
07/07/13 7:19 pm

Haha, would you be surprised that I voted John Adams? I suppose not!

MassAsks Boston
07/09/13 4:18 am

Love them both, but Jefferson was for stronger States, Adams stronger Fed...States Rights all the way.

flobotscott88
07/08/13 11:39 am

I have nothing against state rights but to me Thomas Jefferson was way too state rights for my taste.