Show of Hands

Liberty, if you have a right to call them police and that isn’t slavery then saying you have a right to go to the doctor isn’t slavery either.

Saying GDP doesn't matter is like saying torque and horsepower don't matter when trying to see how fast a car is.

Some illegals are leaching off of us, but a lot are way more productive and beneficial to the economy than many Americans who are leaching off the welfare state.

"The 9th amendment does NOT apply and your reasoning is flawed"

Ozzy, I think we agree but you just misinterpreted what I said. The 9th amendment implies that the government cannot take away healthcare from us. I agree that it doesn't mean someone should be forced to provide or pay for my healthcare. It just means the government should not stop me from seeking the healthcare that I see fit for myself.

“Yet you have a right to police services.”

No, you don’t.

“Basically, taxes would go up but it would replace the premiums you already pay if you have insurance. Net outcome for most people is more money in your pocket and better, more secure coverage.”

Then no.

The US already spends more than other first world country on healthcare per patient. If the argument is that giving the government even more money will save me money is obviously foolish from the get go.

Great.

They should do it with the money they already receive. Paying more in the hope that it will save money does not make sense.

If that’s too hard, do it for one state and prove it works.

Most major human-rights frameworks and treaties recognize health and access to health care as a human right under international law.

@ozzy why don’t you agree? 🤷‍♂️

The picture is exactly right. No one is "entitled" to the goods or services of anyone else.

Also, arbitrarily deeming something to be a "right" does NOT decrease the cost of that thing. In fact, the opposite is usually true.

Of course not. And your fellow taxpayer shouldn’t be forced to pay for your healthcare either, which is what happens when healthcare is under government control.

The government’s role should be to prevent monopolies and monopoly pricing, allow fierce competition for lower prices, and protect those with severe illnesses from being taken advantage of.

I do think it would make sense to have a significant safety net for those who need 24/7 care and can never work due to their illnesses. But that should be the exception, not the rule.

God can also take away.
Poor comparison.

The problem is many people use that as a reason why you should pay more taxes for it.

Yes.