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You should have the right to get healthcare from an unlicensed source. You should have the right to import medications from other countries. You should have the right to practice medicine without a license.

These would all make healthcare cheaper.

The majority of countries who have universal, or single payer healthcare systems still have private insurance as an option. If you want to get bent over by an insurance company, you still can.

I see you chose the latter. I guess good job for trying to copy the format, though 🤷🏼‍♂️

Referring to an industry as a right is the opposite of seriously addressing anything.

I will give you the right to access healthcare without any discrimination.

It’s a service. Can you force someone to care for you? What if it’s a right? The only one that has to care for you is your mother.

So what I am in favor of is universal coverage, so there is no one that doesn’t receive care because they can’t afford it.

“God can also take away.”

You’re an atheist. What are you worried about?

Unless you think the government is god that can take your god given rights away.

How is that single payer working in Canada?

Your rights were taken away in order to establish a medical monopoly.

My idea can happen with or without your idea. What do you think about my idea?

Healthcare is a right, just like free speech is a right. No one should be forced to speak for you, just like no one should be forced to pay for or provide treatment to you. Additionally, the government should not be limiting your speech just like they should not be limiting your healthcare. Unfortunately, the government has made it significantly harder and more expensive for most people to get healthcare.

False. Medicaid takes over if they are poor

False. You have no right to the expertise time or resources of others.

Access to HC is a right

*all medical innovation for the rest of the world

“We have double to triple the obesity rate of most first world countries”

Blame the corporate food giants. At least MAHA is helping. Nobody else did. Unless you want to include Michelle 😆

The 9th amendment does NOT apply and your reasoning is flawed

“highest opioid use”

Thank the drug traffickers. It’s been cut drastically. Thanks uncle Donald

“above average alcohol abuse”.

Nothing compares to many other countries.

Access is a right. HC is not

And be careful - when you get your rights from a government they can also take it away

Art reflects the artist's (perception of) reality

"Clean, high trust society > GDP"

My neighbor could send me to jail for posting offensive memes in many parts of europe 😂. You want me to trust those idiots?

Yep.

As long as you are not misrepresenting your qualifications the risk is much better mitigated through required disclosure and not licensing.

Your car mechanic is not licensed. How do you know if they are qualified? If I told you that licensing every mechanic would ensure they were competent, but your bill would increase by 1000%, is it worth it?

And I’m sure you will bring up that your life is on the line, but is it? How often are stitches fatal? How about casting a broken arm? If those are safe, why not only license for critical care like heart surgery? Why not have two tiers of medicine?

My wife’s friend died of an infection she got from a port that was put in. Things like that CAN be fatal and probably would be more often if not for licensing.

Rights come from God/Creator/Your humanity. They are not determined by government because what the government provides, the government can take away.

Was the port put in by a licensed professional?

Of course not.

Buck, I think you are misunderstanding the argument you are making. Yes, se do spend more per capita than any other country on healthcare. That isn’t government spending, that is ALL healthcare spending. Canada spends half per capita what we spend and covers everyone. Because they don’t have unnecessary middlemen pulling profits out of the system. The fact that we spend so much already is an argument FOR universal healthcare, not against.

You can meaningfully address an issue that is literally life and death for millions of innocent people, or you can choose to be pedantic and smug. You can’t do both.


And you didn’t address any of the actual points I made.

Correct, as did doctors. Thats the point. Some people will say the right to healthcare makes doctors into slaves, but by that logic policemen, firefighters, teachers, etc… are slaves

You have the right to a lawyer. So you’re saying if we got rid of that, lawyers would be cheaper? Doesn’t make any sense

You already do. Healthcare is the number one cause of bankruptcy. And normal people living pay check to pay check become homeless because of one emergency. And then you’re paying for their welfare, cleaning up the streets, incentivizing crime and drug use, and flooding the emergency rooms.

The US has a lower tax burden than Europe or Japan for example, but we have no public healthcare, nearly zero public transportation outside of a few major cities, crumbling infrastructure, much higher crime rates, more environmental pollution, etc.

So, is your personal greed worth living in a comparative shithole? You be the judge.

I agree

Liberty, so if you call them you are engaging in slavery then.

Thinking things should be industries that should be public goods is the opposite of serious conversation.


Answer a question for me.

If your house was broken into while you are away and you call the police to document the break in, did you just engage in slavery?

Buck, there can probably be a decent argument made for two teared licensing. But not doing away with licensing all together.

What do you think of universal coverage?

They have reached a breaking point with freedom in Britain. It is now a totalitarian regime.

Mr. What do you think of the dignity act? www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/3599

Gunsight, the tax burden as a percent of income is significantly higher while the GDP per capita is significantly lower in the countries you mention. You'll get bent over by the government in both America and those other countries. At least I'm richer, still have a little more freedom, and in a place that still innovates, in America. Plus I live in a culture where there are less people trying desperately to leech off others.

No, obviously not. You’re just being silly and obtuse.

Cecacejr, it is implied in the 9th amendment. But gunsight is right, rights don't come from the government, we are born with them. The 9th amendment is extremely important but unfortunately is not taken seriously. The bill of rights is not an exhaustive list of rights and just because something may not explicitly be listed in the constitution does not mean the government is free to take that right from us. That's why the government needs to stop making it so much harder and more expensive for most people to get healthcare.

Cool, get the money from the system and build it. Or do it in one state. I’m not willing to pay more on the promise it will someday be better. We did that with the ACA and healthcare kept going up. Prove it works in the US and then I would consider giving more.

But not a dollar more until that happens.

I would need to understand how the government would want to implement universal coverage. Do you want more money to implement it?

If you want to argue that licensing should be transferable between military and civilian practice, or that nurses should be able to treat emergency cases off the clock, ok, those are perfectly reasonable positions. As you preSented it, it sounds like you think I should be able to just go out and open a medical practice and start treating people despite having only an average man-on-the-street level knowledge of medicine. Is that your position?

The GDP does not matter, I can’t possibly think of a more useless statistic to measure a nation’s well being. Clean, high trust society > GDP

You live in a society with over 20 million illegals leaching off of you by the way.

Your right to vote requires poll workers, so you don’t have a right to vote. Isn’t that right?

Basically, taxes would go up but it would replace the premiums you already pay if you have insurance. Net outcome for most people is more money in your pocket and better, more secure coverage.