Show of Hands

Wow, a lot of people never grew out of the “I believe in imaginary friends” phase of childhood

The Bible says angels and demons exist.

Yes

St. Michael the Archangel, 
defend us in battle. 
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. 
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, 
and do thou, 
O Prince of the heavenly hosts, 
by the power of God, 
thrust into hell Satan, 
and all the evil spirits, 
who prowl about the world 
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen!

There is absolutely no reason to think they do. Imagine I write a book of fairy tales and present them as historical record. What would people say about it 200 years later? Would it make sense a religion would be created from it? That’s pretty much how I feel about the Bible.

There is no evidence, therefore, why would I believe in this?

I wonder if you have the balls to go to a mosque and tell them that.

I bet not.

How about spiritually?

Angels and demons are supernatural not metaphysical, but yes to both.

Why not?

“If I haven’t seen it, it doesn’t exist” is a much earlier stage of childhood. I’m surprised you’re verbal.

Why do you say that? Just because they have not come to you doesn’t mean they aren’t out there.

They’re as likely to exist as purple, three-headed unicorns. 🦄🦄🦄

Yes

@4JC

Of course not

Think you just answered your own Q, Deb.
(It’s all in your head.) 🤷‍♂️

Metaphorically, yes. Physically, no.

I thought you leftists canceled Uncle Ben because you couldn’t stand to see black faces in the super market.

Waiting for you to prove me wrong… 🤷‍♂️

It looks like you’re not familiar with how the American judicial system handles the burden of proof. Same rule applies here. At this point, it’s best to take the loss and move on.

Uh huh.

@Doopy it’s the other way around… as a young and gullible individual you’re taught to believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. Some of you stay that way plus a few extra wrinkles. 🤷‍♂️

The metaphysical? Yes.

Angels, demons, fairies and other such mythical creatures? No.

Waiting for you to figure out I already did.

Why

You're in CA. Kinda kills credibility.

🤭

Without a doubt, I believe the spiritual realm exists.

There are a lot of gullible people here.

Is any wonder our country is screwed up because people can use logical reasoning?

Except you didn’t.

I see I’m still waiting.

Anytime now. Go ahead, give it a shot.

And I will continue to wait…

as a young and gullible individual you’re taught to believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. Some of you stay that way plus a few extra wrinkles. 🤷‍♂️”

And yet we don’t believe in the tooth fairy, and we believe St. Nicholas is in heaven not the North Pole. We have the maturity to see angels and demons are different. You lack it.

Since I’m not making any extraordinary claims, I don’t need to prove anything. You do. And this is usually where things stall and the response slips into something immature instead of substantive.

If you want inspiration, feel free to ask your god. Maybe he/she/they will offer some guidance.

Or don’t. Either way, the point stands.

“Since I’m not making any extraordinary claims, I don’t need to prove anything.”

BWAAAAHAAAHAAHAHAhahahahaha!

That’s not how it works. The burden of proof is identical for all claims ordinary and extraordinary. The commonality of the claim isn’t a factor in your obligation to prove it.

“You do.”

Already did. Still waiting for you to figure it out.

“And this is usually where things stall and the response slips into something immature instead of substantive.”

You *started* this conversation there.

You’re not giving a logical answer.

Now that we have YOUR option…lol

Right, like man can change the climate. 😂

Oh, and black and brown people are too stupid to get an ID. 😂

I do not believe in the supernatural.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A few anecdotes and “it’s in a book” doesn’t meet the standard.

With great power comes great responsibility.
-Uncle Ben

No. I don’t believe in heaven or hell, so I don’t believe in angels or demons.

Your imaginary saints flamboyantly ride purple, three-headed unicorns. 🦄 🦄 🦄

You can’t prove me wrong. 🤷‍♂️

I do.

“It looks like you’re not familiar with how the American judicial system handles the burden of proof. Same rule applies here.”

Wrong on both counts, actually.

Metaphysics? 🤔this is a branch of philosophy that discusses what is reality. I can be a materialist/atheist like Marx and still be doing metaphysics.