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I’ve never understood how anyone can “believe in” all aspects of any single ideology.

I’m pragmatic because compromise is important. At the same time, there are some things I’ll never bend on.

I believe in Medicare for all because a. Healthcare is a human right and b. It would provide better care at lower cost.

I believe in anti interventionism because a. Any unnecessary violence is immoral and b. War waists tons of taxpayer money and causes ill will toward America in other parts of the world.

Very pragmatic

"Ideology is not so much a way of seeing the world as it is a set of blinders designed to keep you going in the ‘right’ direction, even when you would normally bolt and run the other way from horror at the sight of the place your faceless rider, Ideology, is taking you."

It's a bit hyperbolic for sure, but I see no reason not to just consider every issue as it comes, instead of subscribing to an ideology where there will always be something I disagree with. I would never want to find myself justifying things just because it's related to my chosen ideology, which is something I see happen far too often around me.


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On the political compass:
Economic L/R: 2.75
Social lib/auth: -1.74

Meyers Briggs: INTP

Many people I work with say that I am pragmatic.

Both!

Totally pragmatic, whatever works. I can go with alt right if I think globalism weakens our economy, with the Greens if I want to address environmental concerns, with the Dems if it's about a social safety net, with the Reps if it's about capitalism and free market.
Only antifa is excluded, we have no common platform.

Good question. It was hard to decide because I think my ideals are mostly pretty compatible with the more pragmatic course of action.

Ideological, because I’d rather be correct than complacent.

You successfully put the mad into scientist.

It’s ideological in the sense that it is farther left than what this current government is.

Pragmatic unless we start talking about guns

Both. I believe in a set of ideas and want to achieve goals through those ideas, ideological. But there’s also multiple policies that can put those ideas into practice, and so I want to implement the best one, pragmatist.

I would like to believe I’m pragmatic, but I have become more idealistic in the current political climate.

Certainly pragmatic, although of course I’m ideological in other ways.

I have views that tend to align with both parties but some matter more to me than others which is why I tend to vote libertarian if I do vote.

I tend to think ideologically, but act pragmatically. For instance, I tend to support policies that are further left, but I will also consider the good of the country when I vote (hence my approval of Bernie Sanders but my support of Joe Biden). I'm ideological in my views and pragmatic in the sense that I am not willing to stand by a pipedream if it will move the country farther from where it should be.

I consider myself ideological. Pragmatic decisions tend to hurt the country without satisfying any actual constituency.

Looks like I'm going to have to say ideological even though I would rather label it as principled

I have a dream...

Pragmatic. Ideologies have a nasty habit of turning into quasi-religious dogma.

Very pragmatic.

Not God or any gods in politics. That’s for sure.

Oh. I guessed from your screen name. I am a constitution party/ libertarian. Pretty much opposite of your political stance. Lol.

I typically vote for the person who I see as being the best person for the job. I register independent and I treat every candidate on their own merits.

You have to stay idealistic if you want the world to change for the better.

Lol the Danish median income is higher after taxes whether you want to believe it or not. Quit being a toddler.

The AVERAGE income in Nordic countries is lower, but because you’re too stupid to understand mathematics, you think that is reflection of their middle class. It’s actually a reflection of the skewed, concentrated wealth at the top in the US. The MEDIAN income is higher. More importantly, their tax revenue goes to medical care, tuition-free college, and child care. All of those things are extreme out of pocket expenses for Americans. It’s amazing what a basic set of critical thinking skills would do for your dumbass.

Pragmatic. Just the mention of labels tends to annoy me. I don't care if something is "socialist" or "capitalist" I only care about what works and what doesn't, what is right and what is wrong. I believe the best system has yet to begin and it never will be until most of those involved in it realize and contribute towards it and understand that it should constantly evolve.

That is exactly how I think of it mate.

What do you consider yourself ideological if I may ask?

Most of my positions are right-leaning but I don’t consider myself a conservative or any particular ideology. I only choose based on what I believe works best.

I live in the UK, and socialised medicine is fantastic. I get in same day. Their treatments were much better, because doctors aren’t getting kick backs to prescribe or give you something you don’t need. Also, it’s free at the point of use, and prescriptions can only cost up to £9 or roughly $11/$12.

Their free universities in the Nordic countries are good quality, I’ve never heard anyone saying anything bad against them.

The smaller houses, vehicles, fridges, etc. are due to a few reasons. They don’t have the land to build the house so wide, like most of Europe they build up instead. Bigger fridges are viewed as wasteful. You only buy what you need for a week tops. The cars are because of road size and eco-friendly mindset.

The taxes. Their people are happier. They have a capitalist system with high taxes, and large union membership. Their economies are stable. They are innovative. No one worries they will die poor in the streets. Denmark is where the American dream is now.

That is your subjective biased view.

The bad teeth stereotype is no longer true, but has not ever been included within socialised healthcare anyway! Thank you for showing one of the problems of not having socialised care for most dentistry.

I don’t believe the UK is a utopia. Just superior to the ultra capitalist US.

The welfare state is important and helpful to all.

That claim about higher education in places such as Denmark is frankly untrue. They also encourage trades and high paying union jobs without degrees. A far superior system as well.

I’d say a combination of both. But with most issues I usually don’t take an absolute view and consider all sides.

That’s why the UK is always in the first two spots for soft power. Aka influence on the rest of the world. While the US spunks it’s money on bloated military budgets the UK spends its on foreign aid and domestic welfare.

The American dream is a far stretch for most Americans, so this is the advice instead.


People who want to achieve the American dream may be better off seeking it in Canada, the U.K. or Denmark according to an earlier study published by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. The study, authored by Raj Chetty, professor of economics at Stanford University, defined the concept as the ability for children born in the bottom fifth of income distribution to reach the top fifth.

The problem is that when the politicians get to the nitty gritty if actually negotiating these compromises, trying to satisfy both sides produce garbage results. A bill to negotiate pharmaceutical prices sounds nice, but when it's actually implemented it will probably be riddled with bad policies. Immigration reform is necessary, but its doubtful that they will produce a compromise that actually solves the problem. Not saying it can't be done. But being a realist one can see the track record of Washington and see when compromises are done they are failures.

I believe as the two political parties have pulled to the right and left respectively, they have become more ideological and I have followed. Used to be (and I think more preferable) that there was more pragmatism in society/politics. Question is who pulled who?

An ideology is any set of principles with which you base your worldview. If you have principles, you believe in ideology.

I support social democratic principles which is essentially Berne’s platform although I don’t necessarily agree with all of nitty gritty details of his ideas. I do think the US should embrace the Nordic model. What they do there works.

There is nothing but idealism. That’s where you find god. What else are you looking for?

Such as?

Why the libertarian party if I may ask?

Pragmatic because I’m a realist

I understand. I feel as though we probably view things quite similarly politically.

Their median income is higher than ours AFTER taxes.

No, the problem I had was someone who has lied throughout just won’t stop pouring out nonsense, personal insults and logical fallacies.

I’m afraid your supposed wealth has blinded you to the facts. Nothing backs up any of your claims.

A true patriot would want the best for his countrymen. Instead you want to see the poor suffer for your self gain. How pathetic.

I have figured out why you love America so much. You actually just love that you can build wealth off of the back of working class people who work far harder than any ceo or manager of a company. You actually love that people can’t get good opportunities.

I’m afraid you’ll always have to live with the fact that the US pretends to be great, but really the rest of the world would much rather do without it. It’s an embarrassment.

Europe and Asia will continue to grow ties and flourish while the US flounders around electing morally bankrupt and inept men. Maybe you should run for President?

How do they hurt the country if I may ask?

Be cause they tend to be half hearted policies that are politically feasible. Take the Trump tax cut. The bill cost over $1.5 trillion dollars in lost revenues. Did it drastically reduce the level of taxation for most Americans, perhaps on April 15th, but not throughout the year. Did the reform eliminate the nearly $600 billion in annual compliance cost? No it barely made changes to the Tax code and was cast a significant simplification. It was what was politically acceptable and it is arguable that the amount added to the debt will be more costly than the gains of lower taxation.

The ideological part of me generally always grants power to the individual.

They also stand with my main issue on gun rights. Plus it’s a nice fuck you to both the main parties. I really don’t like the two party system and there are very few candidates within in them I can see myself voting for.