As a follow up to my question about the most influential or important person of the 20th century...who do you think is the most influential person of this millennium? 1017-2017
Not really sure it can be limited to just one. Isaac Newton, any of the Founding Fathers, even Hitler. There were many people who did many things, good and bad, that changed the world.
On the other hand I'm keeping an eye on Elon Musk. He could prove to be one of the most influential people in history.
Da Vinci, Machiavelli, people of the renaissance.
Joseph Stalin and not for the best tee.
Leonardo Da Vinci
Hey! That was my answer you you you.....answer thief!! Lol Just kidding. Great minds think alike.
Poor guy died broke and penniless though. Sad.
Cosimo de Medici
Oh that’s very good too
Certainly someone from the following list:
If we’re naming philophers:
Karl Marx (influential for evil, but still influential)
I fear we're being far too orientalist in that we're choosing mostly European figures. Frankly my choice of Marx could be more meaningful if we chose Mao, because like Marx changed Hegelian dialectics into a revolutionary ideology, Mao did the same with Marxist dialectics. Also the fact that I only focused on the fall of feudalism in Europe as the global game changer is orientalist, although it had global ramifications due to how even embryonic capitalism ended in the colonization of the Americas and later the rest of the globe.
Johannes Gutenberg. His moveable type allowed people to get access to printed material and in turn, that not helped spread information but was used to teach reading to people who otherwise had no access to printed words of their own.
Also not a bad choice. Also maybe the popes that led the crusades. Indirectly trading with the east was one of the causes of the Bubonic Plague, which in my opinion, was one of the most influential events which led to the fall of feudalism in Europe.
Madison, Jefferson and Adam et al, have done more good for the planet than any one else.
Probably Martin Luther. His split of the church is practically responsible for the world as we see it today.
I despise Martin Luther but I will say he certainly left a changed world, that will never be the same again.
I know why you hate him, RT. He was an anti-Semite.
However, the question was “most important” or “most influential,” not “most likable.”
Well, I was agreeing with him. Luther did change the world forever, there is no denying that.
Yes, he did. And I see that you did agree with him.
William the Conqueror
Leonardo da Vinci
... tough call ...
What did Da Vinci do? William the Conquerer isn't a bad choice.
I’m assuming that was a rhetorical question about daVinci
No, it's sincere. What did he do that significantly changed anything?
Really tough call. I mean, it's easy to say Marx, that despite his faults, has led to more change than any other figure, and is unique in that unlike previous important figures, his ideas were truly liberating. However, Marx wouldn't have nearly the amount of prestige he does now if Engels weren't around to edit his writings into comprehensible language.
But at the same time, we shouldn't ignore how in 1017 we had an entirely different world, and there were leaders who led it to be the way it is today.
Ultimately I think we'd have to pick a European monarch who was particularly influential in the transition to a capitalist economy, like King William (I think was his name) after the Glorious Revolution in England; maybe a notably influential Enlightenment philosopher like Voltaire; maybe one of the founding fathers, because the creation of the American state truly was a hugely important event in the development of the world. Due to their uniquely aggressive hegemony, we couldn't pick a different countries' founders.
(Half way through the comment I started writing in French, oh the joys of being bilingual.)
I’ve been so stupid that I actually have posted in Russian. I didn’t catch it though, Oh the joys of being a dumbass lol.
William the Conqeror
Genghis khan? It's a hard one. I don't know enough about history. I wish I knew more
Well, he certainly left his DNA behind lol
I’d say sparking two World Wars is pretty influential!
Oh that is a good point but he may be more suited to the 20th century question. Still, you make a great point.
I would say that it may be Martin Luther (The Protestant guy not the civil rights guy) because the Protestant reformation had big impacts in Europe and the world and not just for religious reasons
Really? I think the Protestant reformation is largely exaggerated in its repercussions in the lives of the masses.
I don’t know, I despise Luther but he broke the power of the church. Of course, the Protestants soon acted like the Catholics they just protested but the power of the pope in everyday lives was diminished.
That assumes that religion is the driving force in society, which I don't believe it was or is. It was merely a reflection of greater forces in society. The church protected the power of the feudal lords. Luther's philosophy led to the selling of church lands, which reinforced the power of wealthy land owners/the middle class/the bourgeoisie to come.
No, I think it was the reverse. The feudal lords reflected the church. Look at how the split affected England.
Yes, I’m aware of Henry VIII
Can you be more precise about your analysis of the split in England?
I will but my family is off to a party for our autism society so I will do it later. Cheers
It was a horrible evening. Omg. Thanks though.
The split in England happened very close the time of Luther’s reformation. Henry wanted a divorce, the pope would not grant it so he split with the Vatican....giving credence to Luther’s reformation. Everyone had to then follow Henry’s new version of Protestantism. He confiscated church property and land. People were simply to forget everything they were taught. Of course the rift in his own children was part of the era. Edward continued his fathers religion but died as a child himself. Mary then had Protestant clergy and followers killed then Elizabeth brought back the Church of England.
Though simplified to the extreme, it’s not untrue to say England is Protestant because Henry wanted to marry a concubine (more or less)
My question though is what difference does it make if England is Anglican or Catholic?
Also you mentioned that Henry VIII confiscated church lands. That gives credence to my comment above where I said that the Protestant reformation was closely linked to class and wealth.
Poland is very catholic. When Lech Walesa was uniting people and wanted reforms, one event that occurred was the protestors behind a barricade and the police in front. A picture of Pope John Paul II was placed on the barricade facing the police. The police would not cross. In order to do so would destroy the image of the wildly popular first Polish Pope. The event did not fall along class lines.
Now take that to Tudor England. The pope was followed and then Henry and Edward were. Then catholic Mary was, then Protestant Elizabeth and James (who was beheaded).
When England went Protestant, sects sprang up (they broke with Rome, we can break with them sort of thinking) and it was that religion that took root in the new world of North America. In that respect, Luther and his reforms were carried much further than Western Europe. (Its early and I’m groggy and have not had my iced coffee yet so I may be loopy lol....sorry if this doesn’t make sense)
Oh and the feudal lords adopted whatever religion suited them.
I think we just have fundamentally different world views. I don't think any of the resistance to the Protestant reforms in England, or the Protestant reforms themselves, were the primary motor in changing English history. It was the class differences behind it.
Everything with you is class system though. I don’t see everything through the prism of class, class struggle and Marxism type view. You do. That’s fine. That’s not how I see it and history is so much more than just class struggle.
Actually I disagree Doctor. Religion was a huge driving force in the middle ages. Wars were fought for religion. The crusades were all fought in the name of Christianity or Islam. Many bishops and Cardinals and whatnot were also political leaders. Religion was a huge part of everyones life back then, whether you like religion or not that's a fact.
Please tell me how the crusades happened for religious reasons, or what the clergy being in politics proves.
CM Christian duh!
Jlong105 hands down
Without him nothing would matter to me
Well......good point long lol
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Who do you think is the most important person of the last millennium. 1017-2017?