Rock legend Neil Young is boycotting Starbucks because he believes they oppose the Vermont law requiring labels on food that contains genetically modified ingredients. Do you care if your food is genetically modified in any way?
No, I really don't. I love Neil Young, and I'm fine with seeing Starbucks go away and bring back the donut stores, but this isn't an issue I would boycott anything over.
I'm thinking Starbucks won't be hurting for business over this
Yeah, they seem to be doing OK around here.
I think antibiotics use in livestock production is much more worrisome than GMOs.
Strongly agree. That is beginning to worry me.
I honestly could not care less about them, but I do believe our food should be labeled.
So you're willing to pay for something which you don't care about.
Well I do need food to survive.
I meant pay for labeling.
Yes, very much.
Almost everything we eat is hectic ally modified, either in the lab or through selective breeding.
I care but it's damn near impossible to avoid these days so just go with it I guess.
Very true, but it is still slightly possible to avoid them
No, but if you answered yes, you might as well quit eating. Genetic Modification has been done for centuries through cross-breeding. Today's cows, wheat, corn, rice, apples, oranges, potatoes, tomatoes, etc, etc, are not what they started out to be.
Cross breeding isn't the same as twisting the DNA of a corn seed so farmers can flood the field with RoundUp and still make a profit. And fyi: "stop eating" is a terrible argument point
People have the right to know whether they are buying a tomato or a tomato crossed with fish DNA.
I hope he doesn't eat bananas
It's almost impossible to know what your eating in today's day in age. I just want to live life.
No. Labelling only furthers the idea that GMOs are dangerous, or that GMO actually means anything.
GMO's are bad. Period.
FINALLY - someone who knows what they're talking about!
I don't care, but it should be listed. I don't know why he's picking on Starbucks when TONS of other businesses are doing the same. Our food industry is a joke.
I don't care but I'd like to know.
I do very much. It's extremely harmful to your health and I want to AT LEAST know what I'm eating. If this wasn't such a big deal, then why are all the major food companies fighting it? They're hiding something. From you. And yet you don't care.
You're right, glad you care for me.
How are GMOs harmful to your health?
I hope you're are not talking to me, I'm just happy someone looks for questionable stuff.
No I'm asking the original poster. I'm curious what they site as unhealthy. I agree that information should be listed but I'm not convinced GMOs are entirely all horrible.
Gmos are not unhealthy at all. You can use arguments such as saying they taste worse or go against nature. But saying they are unhealthy is not one of them. Cite a source where you prove your point, and unbiased factual site.
Niel Degrassi Tyson has a few videos where he debunks common myths on GMOs. So I'm curious what this users "unhealthy" argument might be.
Humans have been eating genetically modified organisms since we first started farming and animal husbandry.
Harmful to our health? How?
Do you know for a fact that Tyson (Note: ALSO A FOOD COMPANY) wasn't paid for his silly little video? GMOs grew massive tumors on rats within 6 months
Bahahaha! Do you know who Neil DeGrassi is? Clearly you aren't foolish enough to think he owns Tyson chicken? Furthermore he is known for standing behind scientific evidence no matter how popular or unpopular those facts are. I seriously doubt he was
Paid, but if you want to start tossing out conspiracy theories to suit your agenda go ahead.
I never thought or said he owned Tyson chicken. But nevermind that. If you want to eat carelessly go ahead but it's my choice to eat Organic. Do you normally criticize people's health and their choices regarding it?
No I'm not criticizing your food choices. (For the record I think they should be labeled for those who don't want to eat them) I'm still waiting for how they are unhealthy. Where is your source for these rats you speak of?
Because I found this.
Raptor, how do you, or even do you, differentiate between genetic modifications in the lab and through selective breeding?
Pffft im done with this stupid argument. Go eat yourself sick, because that's what's gonna happen. Bye!
So you do or do not differentiate between genetic modifications made in the lab and those done through selective breeding?
I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by the conversation here you feel the need to leave it. I'm trying to figure out why you feel so strongly about it and any actual facts you have supporting those beliefs.
No evidence = run away from debate
No evidence? That's ridiculous why else would people be arguing then?
People argue against evolution. People argue against climate change. People argue against Earth being round. That's a profoundly stupid argument.
RaptOr you've spouted nothing so far but rhetoric. We are asking for your side of the debate. Saying something is unhealthy and causes mutations in rats with no evidence to support that claim and then disengaging in the conversation is frustrating.
Where's the evidence then?
We're still waiting Raptor...
I've said everything I wanted to say. You kids can continue yelling at each other, I'll sit back and watch.
None of of are yelling at anyone, let alone each other.
So you won't answer questions or produce your evidence?
Your entire position is summarily dismissed. Your opinion on this topic has zero value and will be ignored.
I'm guessing Rapt0r was never on the debate team. I really don't understand how he feels so attacked when being asked pretty basic questions. If you don't want to explain your beliefs then I'm afraid I agree with cite.
Because it's irrational to ask for facts and logic
No, GMO food doesn't concern me (at least at present; there is some potential for issues). Requiring food to be labelled, especially packaged food, would be pretty ridiculous, though. Companies would have to change packaging every time their supply
changed, and that's just unfeasible. That's why you get labeling like "may contain soy/peanut/corn oil" - to cover possibilities for changing supply. There's no way to incorporate that flexibility into GMO labeling (it would look like "may or may
not contain GMO products," which is meaningless).
That's a really good point. I was of the "full disclosure" mindset, but you have made me think twice.
I think it's probably a lot easier for stuff like produce, but even then the store itself would have to keep close track of which stuff it was putting in which bins, when restocking. Separate sections for organic, non-GMO & "regular" maybe?
Even that sounds cumbersome to me. Three different places to put each vegetable? And hoping for no mixups in the supply line, including when store employees restock.
I'd at least like to know what I'm buying and eating for my own health preference. I have a right to know, don't i? The food companies are hiding something from me and I don't like that
The real problem here is why are these companies willing to pay millions of dollars to prevent labeling. Unless they are hiding something. Labeling GMO's is mandatory in Europe and it didn't cause any price rise as those companies claim it would.
Not really, but there is no reason to avoid labeling it other than obfuscation.
Well, except that every time one ingredient for something like, say, a cake mix was unavailable in non-GMO form & the company had to sub a GMO, packaging would have to be reprinted. And that's just going to happen. I see it as unworkable.
I agree fredd, why NOT label it?
fredd & theRapt0r, just assume that over the centuries all editable things have been Genetically Modified and get on with a life. The other point is the cost of labeling the same food differently because one has onions & the other has pickles.
GM food is labeled in most of Europe, although I agree it's far from perfect, it's not impossible.
DonW, genetic engineering is not the same as selecting breeding.
That's true, fredd. I wonder how they handle it. Maybe there is less GMO food grown there to begin with?
And you're correct, specific genetic engineering of food is different than breeding.
There are almost no GMO grown in Europe and very little imported too, the U.S. has claimed its a trade barrier. Another issue is when the same equipment would be used for both a GMO and a non-GMO variant. Someone would do a DNA test and sue them for
...finding traces. It's just like when they label may contain traces of nuts etc. for allergic people.
The EU banned GMOs a few years ago. None are grown there (legally) and most definitely are not sold or served there
Wrong, GM food is not banned but it is rare. Few GM crops are grown and the USA has even argued that the restrictions are effectively a trade barrier.
Just realized I basically repeated TomM. Whoops.
No, and I don't read labels, surprised Neil Young can.
I couldn't care less about GMO's.
As long as food is labeled (and accurately) I don't see an issue. I'm very much a consumer rights advocate for things like this
Nope, I couldn't care less. Though people should have full-information when making decisions.
I'll bet you could care a little less, if you just try a bit harder.
I just want them to label it, there isn't anything wrong with GMO's, other than super bugs, which are avoidable, but I digress, just label them so people will realize they've been eating them for years and quit bitching.
If I know something is a GMO or a food that has it in it I will not eat it, like corn. I want labels!
Me too! Good grief!
Do you ever buy bread, ice cream, candy, soft drinks, cereal, ketchup which is not organic (and there any many more). Because they all contain sugar or high fructose corn syrup, which are GMO. It's impossible to live without getting any.